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"ASPCA & Petfinder: "October is Adopt A Shelter Dog Month" "
Posted by by20hounds on Oct-13-03 at 01:24 PM (EST)
CONCERNS ABOUT SUE STERNBERG
In a letter currently making the rounds defending the ASPCA's longtime
relationship with Sue Sternberg, Julie Morris of the ASPCA's National
Shelter Outreach (NSO) writes -

"Thank you for your concern for animals and for contacting us about the
distressing rumors being spread over the Internet about Sue Sternberg and
her programs. The ASPCA National Shelter Outreach (NSO) department works
with Sue on a regular basis and we have shared these concerns with her.
It is clear to us that the most alarming accusations have been misinterpreted, exaggerated or taken out of context."

###### end ASPCA quote ######

Many of us who share concerns over Sternberg's obsession with killing
shelter dogs became aware of her seminars through an email from a
respected rescuer named Esther Lotz. In Esther's email a year and a half
ago dated March 23, 2002, vivid and frightening details of Sternberg's
hatred towards shelter dogs and her rhetoric that advocated killing off
large numbers of shelter dogs became public knowledge.

Since then, dozens of other rescue volunteers have stepped forward to
repeat very similar rhetoric being used at Sternberg seminars which they
attended.

The following response to the ASPCA's stance on Sternberg is forwarded
with permission from Esther Lotz.

###### begin Esther Lotz message ######

Permission to crosspost given by Esther Lotz.
-----------------
Forwarded Message:
Subj: re Sue Sternberg defense letter
Date: 10/9/2003 10:38:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: EstherLotz
To: juliem @ aspca .org

Julie,

I just read a e-mail that you generated in defense of Sue Sternberg in
which you referred to Internet "rumors" regarding Sue Sternberg's
ideology-I must share with you the following:

My thoughts & concerns relating to a Sue Sternberg Seminar, held in
Burlington, Vermont, & attended by myself, Esther Lotz, on 7/28/01.

I have scrutinized the following words carefully, & to the best of my
knowledge, the following words accurately describe the seminar content.

I am forwarding you the following e-mail that I recently sent to the
president of the ATTS organization. I must say, in defense of Sue, the
written material that I have reviewed, & the radio shows featuring Sue
Sternberg that I have listened to are absolutely wonderful-completely
different material from the frighteningly extreme verbal seminar rhetoric
I experienced.

The "frighteningly extreme verbal seminar rhetoric" included Sue
referring to herself as "Hitler", Sue quoting Joseph Stalin, Sue relating
tales of soliciting owner surrender (through the Rondout Training Wheels
program) of dogs with assurances offered to the public of rehoming, (with
the one & only goal consisting of euthanasia), Sue relating tales of
misleading other shelters into turning dogs over to her under the guise
of good homes lined up for the dogs, again, with the one & only goal
consisting of euthanasia, & Sue advising the audience attendees to
conceal her euthanasia ideology from shelter donors- in the event they
chose to implement her ideology in their shelter operations...

It is hard to convey accurately how frightening I found this individual's
seminar rhetoric. Our nation's largest animal advocate organizations
should not be endorsing someone who advocates misleading the public,
other shelters, & shelter donors. Our nation's largest animal advocate
organizations should not be endorsing someone who refers to themselves in
a public setting as "Hitler," a nickname many are sure to find offensive
& frightening.

The concept that up to 75% of the dogs in one region of America today
could be branded as unplaceable appears not to be a sound one, according
to the Animal Control Officers & geneticists I have discussed this
statement with throughout our nation.

I personally find this to be a preposterous & fallacious claim.

That said, I firmly believe that dogs should be evaluated thoroughly by a
dog behaviorist before being offered to the public for adoption-safety
for adopters is paramount! Nothing is ever gained by "warehousing"
companion animals-their quality of life & their ability to be placed in
safe, successful lifetime commitment homes should always be a
priority-euthanasia is always, always a far better option than
sacrificing issues of safety for humans or the emotional health & quality
of life for the potential adoptee!

Esther Lotz
formerly Dalmatian Rescue of Vermont
Burlington, VT 05401

Forwarded Message:
Subj: dogs to destroy...
Date: 03/23/2002 5:00:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: EstherLotz
To: herkcc@mindspring.com

Dear Carl,

Sue stated in the seminar that her goal is to destroy up to 75% of the
dogs available to the public in the Northeast. At the point in time that
Sue accomplishes her goal, she will transport into the Northeast the
excess dogs from the rest of the country to place into homes. She states
that the Northeast has had the benefit of spay & neuter public education
for some time now, & so now we own the "dregs of the dog world-the
difficult, dangerous Northeast dogs", whereas the rest of the country is
still haunted by terrible companion animal overpopulation statistics, &
is putting down "small", "submissive", "good", "easy", & "safe" dogs. At
the point in time that she has transported the excess dogs from the rest
of the country into the Northeast for placement, she will implement her
breeding program. Sue stated that she is amassing a gene pool from which
she plans to start breeding & disseminating dogs to the dog owning public
that she feels they should own. This gene pool consists of "under 35
pound, submissive, mixed-breed dogs," the only type of dog that she feels
should be kept alive, & that she feels is "safe" in today's society. Sue
feels that dogs over 35 pounds are potentially dangerous because of the
damage they can do if they bite a person or another dog. She feels that
they should be owned only with a special license like a firearms license,
renewable each year following yearly testing of owner proficiency, as
they are so potentially dangerous. Sue is also very, very anti- "Bull
Breeds."

My understanding of Sue's presentation is that she had designed her
temperament test to accomplish her euthanasia goals & her breeding plan.

Respectfully, Esther Lotz.

This is one of the PSAs we ran throughout New England following the
seminar...

Dog Bite Epidemic

All dogs are capable of biting, although Dalmatians have a greater
propensity for biting & snapping than most dogs! Never, ever attempt to
acquire or own a puppy or dog (of any breed, but most importantly a
Dalmatian) from a breeder, pet store, private adoption, shelter or rescue
without meeting with a dog trainer or behaviorist to set up a
no-corrections, no-punishment dog bite prevention program for your
household. In the interest of safety, have your puppy or dog temperament
tested or evaluated thoroughly by a certified dog behaviorist before you
bring a companion animal into your home!

Professionals in the Northeast are currently being urged by a nationally
known dog expert to destroy up to 75% of the dogs (all breeds & mixtures
of breeds) available to the public in the Northeast, in an effort to make
dog ownership safer & easier for an "uneducable" public. This nationally
known dog expert feels that dog ownership should be "dumbed down", & made
"fail-safe", to the point that only "submissive, timid dogs weighing
under 35 pounds" should ideally be kept alive, & subsequently made
available to the public for adoption. This nationally known dog expert
feels that dog ownership "should not have to entail dog training or dog
bite prevention." Although this approach is not without some merit, in
truth, almost all dogs can be owned safely although there is no such
thing as a "safe" dog.

###### end Esther Lotz message ######

For the ASPCA to simply ignore the dozens of complaints by rescue groups,
former Sternberg employees, and volunteers like Lotz is a dangerous
precedent for the ASPCA to take, especially in view of the negative
impact their defense of Sternberg's extreme temperament tests could have on
their donations.

We in the rescue community are calling for a COMPLETE investigations into
the serious allegations that have been and are still being leveled about
Sternberg and her obsessive extreme verbal rhetoric that calls for the
mass murdering of many innocent shelter dogs.

The volunteers who have stepped forward against Sternberg appear to have
no cross to bear but are only interested in advocating for the thousands
of innocent animals being killed by Sternberg's highly erratic and
prejudicial temperament test methods.

The irony of the ASPCA's defensive stance on Sue Sternberg, an admitted
advocate of killing up to 80% of the Northeast's shelter dogs, is that
October is "ADOPT a Shelter Dog Month" with both the ASPCA and Petfinder
as its cosponsors. Both the ASPCA and Petfinder use Sue Sternberg as a
paid consultant. It is an understatement to say that it seems highly
irregular to makes claims advocating adoption for homeless shelter dogs
while at the same time supporting a woman who has made a highly
successful career out of teaching shelters how to kill shelter dogs
without a guilty conscience.

The ASPCA's National Shelter Outreach (NSO) maintains a huge shelter data
base. We can only wonder to what extent NSO is helping to facilitate
Sternberg's quest to kill off all the shelter's "unadoptable" dogs.

Sue Sternberg has been pushing her "kill" rhetoric on her seminar circuit
since as far back as the mid-nineties. Her philosophy of a highly
unscientific temperament test used to kill off most of the shelter dogs
as unadoptable is NOT a message being well received by the rescue
community. It would appear to this advocate that October should be the
ASPCA's and Petfinder's Month to Come Clean With the Rescue Community.

While their message to adopt is being sent out to the rescue community,
one needs to wonder if the ASPCA and Sternberg are sending out a contrary
message to the shelter community which makes October not "Adopt" but
"KILL a Shelter Dog Month." This strange-bedfellows arrangement makes
absolutely no sense......

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horrible, leslie, Oct-13-03, (1)
ASPCA, Anna, Oct-13-03, (2)
Write to ASPCA, CINDY_LUVS_SHADIE, Oct-13-03, (3)
bump, helen, Oct-18-03, (5)
Out of curiosity, Lisa, Oct-20-03, (6)
in the seminar, lottadogs, Oct-20-03, (8)
I can't help but think, chris, Oct-20-03, (9)
Oh Come on chris, Lisa, Oct-21-03, (10)
Not necessarily aggressive , chris, Oct-21-03, (11)
Playing Devil's advocate..., Kate, Oct-21-03, (12)
How many of us have dogs, J, Oct-21-03, (13)
J, chris, Oct-21-03, (16)
nope, lottadogs, Oct-21-03, (14)
Yes, I'm aware that they do not sta..., Kate, Oct-21-03, (15)
nope, lottadogs, Oct-22-03, (17)
curious, Lisa, Oct-22-03, (18)
Lisa, chris, Oct-22-03, (19)
80% of dogs in your shelter are pit..., Lisa, Oct-27-03, (20)
Check out northeast shelters, chris, Oct-28-03, (21)

 

 
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1 . "horrible"
Posted by leslie on Oct-13-03 at 01:33 PM (EST)
Truly horrible. This Sue Sternberg lady must be banned. I am never donating to the ASPCA again.
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2 . "ASPCA"
Posted by Anna on Oct-13-03 at 02:27 PM (EST)
I think the power of her position has gone to Sue's head. She should be stripped of that power immediately. I too will no longer support an agency that supports her and her doggy Hitler tactics. Nor will any of my friends or family and I will continue to spread the word about this and ask for a ban on donations until she is no longer supported by any animal agency.
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3 . "Write to ASPCA"
Posted by CINDY_LUVS_SHADIE on Oct-13-03 at 02:44 PM (EST)
I just sent this thread to email: development@aspca.org. Suggest all comments go there as a *minimum* action. This woman must be stopped!!
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5 . "bump"
Posted by helen on Oct-18-03 at 10:26 PM (EST)
bump
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6 . "Out of curiosity"
Posted by Lisa on Oct-20-03 at 12:18 PM (EST)
I don't know enough about Sue Sternberg and am trying to learn more about this controversial topic.

Typically what percentage of dogs in a shelter does her methods find to be aggressive(and should therefore be killed??)

I am just trying to learn more

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8 . "in the seminar"
Posted by lottadogs on Oct-20-03 at 06:30 PM (EST)
>I don't know enough about Sue Sternberg
>and am trying to learn more
>about this controversial topic.
>Typically what percentage of dogs in a
>shelter does her methods find to
>be aggressive(and should therefore be killed??)
>
>I am just trying to learn more
>
That I attended (and I regret giving her a penny!) she stated 85% of the dogs in shelters from ME to PA and west to NY State should be euthanized.

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9 . "I can't help but think"
Posted by chris on Oct-20-03 at 09:32 PM (EST)
if we all traveled the country and visited shelters in every state, we'd feel a little more like Sue. Has anyone noticed the dogs in our northeast shelters?? Look at the sites...then look at the dogs in Georgia. There IS a difference like it or not and a whole lot of dogs suitable for your average family are dying in southern shelters while the northeast shelters are full of pitbulls that most people will not and should not adopt. No, I'm NOT saying people shouldn't adopt pits...I love the breed, but I do realize that your average family is not right for this breed. Why? Because the average family knows nothing (or little) about dominance, animal aggression or responsible dog ownership. That is reality.

If everyone was a responsible home, we wouldn't have dogs dying in shelters. If they are less than responsible, knowledgable homes, the last dogs they should be adopting are pitbulls.

chris
http://www.tjoconnor.net

>That I attended (and I regret giving her a penny!) she stated 85% of the dogs in shelters from ME to PA and west to NY State should be euthanized.

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10 . "Oh Come on chris"
Posted by Lisa on Oct-21-03 at 10:16 AM (EST)
If what lottadogs says is true, that she recommends 85% of the dogs in the northeast to be killed, even by the reasoning that you gave, that's a bit much isn't it?
In the earlier posts, you said that her methods are only to get rid of aggressive dogs. Are you are telling me that 85% of dogs in the northeast are aggressive dogs?
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11 . "Not necessarily aggressive "
Posted by chris on Oct-21-03 at 10:36 AM (EST)
dogs, no, but a whole lot of dogs that the majority of the public probably shouldn't be handling.

chris
http://www.tjoconnor.net

>If what lottadogs says is true, that
>she recommends 85% of the dogs
>in the northeast to be killed,
>even by the reasoning that you
>gave, that's a bit much isn't
>it? In the earlier posts, you
>said that her methods are only
>to get rid of aggressive dogs.
> Are you are telling me
>that 85% of dogs in the
>northeast are aggressive dogs?

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12 . "Playing Devil's advocate..."
Posted by Kate on Oct-21-03 at 11:19 AM (EST)
Is it possible that a certain faction of the anti-SS crowd could be people that are feeling the impact financially-such as Pet Shops and BYB's- of her "clean out the unadoptables and bring in the good candidates" campaign? There are so many facets to this arguement and just when I feel comfortable committing to being for or against another viewpoint comes into play. I can't help but think that everytime (not that it happens that often) a shelter dog attacks a new owner that the BYB's and Pet Shops are smirking while saying "I told you so, you just never know when you take a chance with a shelter animal". Having said that, I still don't like what I hear about her methods; my dogs would assuredly not have passed her eval. I just wonder if we're all concerned about her for the same reasons.....
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13 . "How many of us have dogs"
Posted by J on Oct-21-03 at 11:32 AM (EST)
that would fall into that 85% due to one reason or another. My dog is the greatest little guy but he wouldn't pass her standards because when he has a rawhide and you try to take it away he growls at you. Not that he would bite but according to her standards he would be part of that 85%. It is a shame to think of how many good dogs are being euthanized due to her way of thinking.
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16 . "J"
Posted by chris on Oct-21-03 at 09:11 PM (EST)
True, but you are a "dog person" and not your average pet owner. I personally would adopt most of the dogs in our shelter, but wouldn't adopt many of them out to the public who for the most part, doesn't understand dogs (if they did, our shelters wouldn't be overflowing).

Lots of good dogs are being euthanized and lots of those dogs would pass a temp test with no problems, but are dying in the thousands in this country. The whole point is why take a chance with a dog that MAY hurt someone when there are so many that wouldn't hurt a flea. Obviously, any dog can bite, but the point is temp testing gives at least some idea of their tolerance level and it makes no sense to me if you are putting down XX number of dogs due to space why you wouldn't save the ones with the least problems first.

Hope I didn't come across as jumping down your throat or arguing with you, just giving my opinion on this topic. I know once I get going sometimes, it comes across in a bad way and I don't mean for it to at all :)

chris
http://www.tjoconnor.net

>How many of us have dogs that would fall into >that 85% due
>to one reason or another. My
>dog is the greatest little guy
>but he wouldn't pass her standards
>because when he has a rawhide
>and you try to take it
>away he growls at you. Not
>that he would bite but according
>to her standards he would be
>part of that 85%. It is
>a shame to think of how
>many good dogs are being euthanized
>due to her way of thinking.

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14 . "nope"
Posted by lottadogs on Oct-21-03 at 12:39 PM (EST)
>Is it possible that a certain faction
>of the anti-SS crowd could be
>people that are feeling the impact
>financially-

No because those people are not impacted in the least by killing dogs in shelters
I know the kind of people who buy from me (for example) won't adopt for one reason or another (and I know because I refer them to the adoptable dogs FIRST after screening the home they have available)

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15 . "Yes, I'm aware that they do not stand to gain financially"
Posted by Kate on Oct-21-03 at 01:02 PM (EST)
by the actual process of euthanizing dogs in shelters, my point is I'm wondering if they are losing business because shelters are providing even-tempered "pet quality" pets and many people no longer feel that their only option is to patronize breeders, pet shops or byb's.
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17 . "nope"
Posted by lottadogs on Oct-22-03 at 11:32 AM (EST)
>by the actual process of euthanizing dogs
>in shelters, my point is I'm
>wondering if they are losing business
>because shelters are providing even-tempered "pet
>quality" pets and many people no
>longer feel that their only option
>is to patronize breeders, pet shops
>or byb's.

Nope because a lot of people ONLY want a baby puppy of a particular breed. Something not provided by shelters (except for the infamous shelters operating as pet stores and bringing in mill pups to sell) in most areas of the country is pups of specific breeds.
Now if you are talking about making it easier for unqualified people to get cheap pets - yeah I think the shelters are doing about the same job of that as the bad breeders are.
What I have seen in my area is puppy prices going right up out of sight and even mixbreds bringing in big bucks - shelters are not impacting anything at all it seems.


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18 . "curious"
Posted by Lisa on Oct-22-03 at 11:37 AM (EST)
Other than aggression, for what reason shouldn't a dog not be adopted out?

>dogs, no, but a whole lot of
>dogs that the majority of the
>public probably shouldn't be handling.
>chris http://www.tjoconnor.net
>>If what lottadogs says is true, that
>>she recommends 85% of the dogs
>>in the northeast to be killed,
>>even by the reasoning that you
>>gave, that's a bit much isn't
>>it? In the earlier posts, you
>>said that her methods are only
>>to get rid of aggressive dogs.
>> Are you are telling me
>>that 85% of dogs in the
>>northeast are aggressive dogs?

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19 . "Lisa"
Posted by chris on Oct-22-03 at 06:00 PM (EST)
I kind of worded that wrong. Basically, it's hard for me to adopt out pitbulls to the general public and that is the breed that makes up probably 80% of the dogs in our shelter. I love the breed and it disgusts me to know how many are suffering in this country. A lot of that is cruel people, but also a lot of that is people who didn't know any better and brought home a dog that they cannot handle. Many people are not suitable for these dogs and to me that's obvious by the number of loose/stray/vicious pitbulls on the streets. They didn't all come from dog fighters. In my opinion, unless you know dogs and understand them, you shouldn't have a pitbull.

I think a lot of what gets lost in these discussions is we're not talking about us (dog people - rescuers, show people, shelter workers, etc.) handling these dogs. We're talking about your average person who wants a pet for their kids and who has no clue, in most cases, about dog behavior.

To answer your question, a dog doesn't have to be "aggressive" to be dominant and a dominant pitbull (or many other strong/larger breeds) in the hands of someone who is naive to dogs scares me. I guess I am all about preventing a disaster from happening, rather than taking a chance and hoping it works out. A pitbull attack means so much more than just the person who is bit - especially if the dog is adopted from a shelter. It means I'm that much closer to losing my rights to have my dog. It means less good, responsible people adopting them. It means less people coming to our shelter to adopt because they are afraid.

I'd rather not take the chance with iffy dogs when there are SO MANY dogs in this country killed every day that don't have these issues.

Before anyone thinks I want to kill all pitbulls, please understand that is not the case at all. I love this breed. I love them for their intelligence, sense of humor and their loving natures. In my opinion there are worse things than euthanasia...there is life on a chain in the backyard because their owners didn't know their strength, energy, determination, possible animal aggression, etc. There is life on the street because owners didn't know their strength, energy, determination to get off that chain... and then there is the ultimate place they can end up and that is a fighting pit.

chris
http://www.tjoconnor.net

>Other than aggression, for what reason shouldn't
>a dog not be adopted out?
>
>>dogs, no, but a whole lot of
>>dogs that the majority of the
>>public probably shouldn't be handling.
>>chris http://www.tjoconnor.net
>>>If what lottadogs says is true, that
>>>she recommends 85% of the dogs
>>>in the northeast to be killed,
>>>even by the reasoning that you
>>>gave, that's a bit much isn't
>>>it? In the earlier posts, you
>>>said that her methods are only
>>>to get rid of aggressive dogs.
>>> Are you are telling me
>>>that 85% of dogs in the
>>>northeast are aggressive dogs?

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20 . "80% of dogs in your shelter are pitbull?"
Posted by Lisa on Oct-27-03 at 10:38 PM (EST)
That's hardly the norm in most shelters(Please correct me if I am wrong)

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21 . "Check out northeast shelters"
Posted by chris on Oct-28-03 at 02:04 AM (EST)
This is why I understand why Sue Sternberg says what she says about our shelters up here. We are loaded with pitbulls and rotties. That is what sits in shelters in this area.

chris
http://www.tjoconnor.net

>That's hardly the norm in most shelters(Please
>correct me if I am wrong)

   

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